BIBLE or KORAN?

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

I agree. This is one part of the nature of religions.
The other part is they are cultural traditions. They compete each
other and they evolve to strenghten themselves and to win the
competition. To obtain their goal, religions are trying to control as
many people than possible and their mission is to conquer the world.
Islam is the most active religion in this attempt and it is growing
and spreading like a cancer. Islamic education turn people into
zombies who are ready to explode themselves in order to make their
religion win.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Nobody can demonstrate this, neither its contrary.

Post by joeblogg
Answer the following points to your honest satisfaction and still tell me
there is a god.
1.
When you have surgery and part of your brain is removed, it affects the way
you think.
When a person takes drugs, their thinking is affected.
Is it the spirit that has the thought or the brain?
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

The conscience is produced by the brain, but the brain is made up of
billions of nervous cells. The human conscience is the fusion of many
little consciences in correspondance of each area of the brain. In the
same way, God is and will be the fusion of an infinite (?) number of
consciences.

In our brain, we have many consciences. For example, when you are
using your hands, when you are speaking, when you are looking, you are
using different consciences. All them are fused in an unique
conscience mainly by the presumption of unity, but if you are
attentive, you could perceive these consciences as different.

Our souls will unite to the conscience of God, from whom they came.
They bring their experience in this life enriching in this way God
himself. Our soul is a part of this God whose body is made up by all
elementary particle of the universe. Their organisation produced many
plants, animals and the mankind. God existed before the Big Bang, then
he decided to explode and transform himself in elementary particles,
so to start a new universal cycle. The evolution of life is recreating
God himself. Very likely, during this process, our souls will have
many reincarnations.

This is the ABSOLUTE MONOTHEISM theory, where all consciences of all
living beings of all the Universe will unite in an Unique Conscience
or GOD.

Logos
***@libero.it
Remove A B C

duke

2004-05-09 19:20:41 UTC

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

Post by joeblogg
1.
When you have surgery and part of your brain is removed, it affects the way
you think.
When a person takes drugs, their thinking is affected.
Is it the spirit that has the thought or the brain?

Neither, the person.

Post by joeblogg
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

Souls don't think.

Post by joeblogg
2. There are always more and more people on this planet.
Where are all the new souls coming from?
Are they being created all the time?

Sure - God can do that. People are making more people. It's simple for God to make more
souls.

Post by joeblogg
3. God created the universe (right?).
If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

He didn't do a lousy job, and we can't help him if he did.

Post by joeblogg
4. The universe is infinite.

No, it definitely is not.

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so
he doesn't need you.

He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Post by joeblogg
6. You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people die of
cancer and other diseases every year.

Oh, that's an easy one. A&E professed to be as gods, so God almighty gave us a chance.
Cancer is one example of the way we blew it, not God..

Post by joeblogg
7. People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.

Nope, one point taken away here.

Post by joeblogg
8.
Do something for me. Find 20 people, Make up a message and whisper it from
person to person.
Ask the twentieth person what the message is.
You will find that the message in no way resembles the original message.
How can we be sure who wrote the Bible or Koran? What was their real reason
for writing it?

Easy, to reveal God and his instructions to us..

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a town that
wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..

Post by joeblogg
Ponder the following

You blew the first nine, but, ok go ahead.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no concrete to make your buildings because you
will have exhausted the lime of all the quarries in the world.

Recycle lime.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no oil to make petrol and plastics.

We'll use something else.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no metals to make your machines. (approx)

Haven't you ever heard of melting things down and making new machines. No, I guess not.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no fish left in the sea because it will be too
polluted.

Clean it up. We easily have the technology.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no trees because you will have used them all to
make toilet paper.

Plant some new ones.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years there will be no animals to feed you, so you will have to eat
human flesh.

Raise some new ones.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years the air will be too polluted to breath without masks.

Haven't you ever heard of environmental cleanup?

Post by joeblogg
In 300 years you will have reverted to the savages you really are and there
will be no civilization.

Why?

Post by joeblogg
The real problem is overpopulation of the planet and the misuse and
squandering of its resources.

In 100 years we'll be mining Mars.

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are not interested in the western economy and
probably do not squander resources.

"Probably don't"??????? You're not very sure, are you!

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are probably
going to start WWIII and get rid of a lot of people.

We're going to the stars.

I think you better stay in bed today. You don't know anything about tomorrow.

duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Richard Smol

2004-05-09 21:20:44 UTC

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Atheists have no desire to control theists. They generally
just don't want to be bothered with the theists' fairy
tales.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

The total lack of evidence for their existence should give
you some clues.

<- snip rest ->

RS

duke

2004-05-10 10:24:35 UTC

Post by duke
You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Atheists have no desire to control theists. They generally
just don't want to be bothered with the theists' fairy
tales.

Then why do you spend so much time trying to convince yourself you are correct?

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

The total lack of evidence for their existence should give
you some clues.

Then again, all evidence that exists demands the existence of God.

Post by Richard Smol
<- snip rest ->

That was the really challenging part. I understand.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Eric Gill

2004-05-10 13:17:39 UTC

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:20:44 GMT, Richard Smol

Post by duke
You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Atheists have no desire to control theists. They generally
just don't want to be bothered with the theists' fairy
tales.

Then why do you spend so much time trying to convince yourself you are correct?

Odd way to put, "conteracting the incessant preaching that is unavoidable
in western culture."

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

The total lack of evidence for their existence should give
you some clues.

Then again, all evidence that exists demands the existence of God.

Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Post by Richard Smol
<- snip rest ->

That was the really challenging part. I understand.

There is nothing challenging about a long string of unsupported assertions.

duke

2004-05-10 22:46:03 UTC

Post by duke
Then why do you spend so much time trying to convince yourself you are correct?

Odd way to put, "conteracting the incessant preaching that is unavoidable
in western culture."

Yet you can't counteract the truth.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

The total lack of evidence for their existence should give
you some clues.

Then again, all evidence that exists demands the existence of God.

Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Yet all evidence demands the existence of God and there is no evidence for God's
non-existance.

Now what are you going to do. The reality is that God exists, re the evidence.

Post by Eric Gill
There is nothing challenging about a long string of unsupported assertions.

The biggest unsupported assertion in all creation is that there is no God.

duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Eric Gill

2004-05-11 04:40:59 UTC

Post by duke
Then why do you spend so much time trying to convince yourself you are correct?

Odd way to put, "conteracting the incessant preaching that is
unavoidable in western culture."

Yet you can't counteract the truth.

Nice way to simply dodge the issue.

God you suck, duke.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

The total lack of evidence for their existence should give
you some clues.

Then again, all evidence that exists demands the existence of God.

Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Yet all evidence demands the existence of God and there is no evidence
for God's non-existance.

Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Post by duke
Now what are you going to do.

Remind you asserting that anything existing is automatically evidence for
your favorite god is evidence of nothing but your own over-inflated ego.

Post by duke
The reality is that God exists, re the
evidence.

You "forgot" to show what that was, duke.

Post by Eric Gill
There is nothing challenging about a long string of unsupported assertions.

The biggest unsupported assertion in all creation is that there is no God.

Then you should have no trouble demonstrating this, right, duke?

Well, I mean other than historically. You've just been holding back,
lying in the weeds, acting like every other hypocritical lying apologist
for that special day when you pull out the key to everything and simply
*demolish* the naysayers, atheists, heritics and pagans.

Right?

Instead of just sucking.

Right?!?

duke

2004-05-11 10:52:13 UTC

Post by Eric Gill
Odd way to put, "conteracting the incessant preaching that is
unavoidable in western culture."

Yet you can't counteract the truth.

Nice way to simply dodge the issue.
God you suck, duke.

Any time you wish to debate, eric.

Post by duke
Yet all evidence demands the existence of God and there is no evidence
for God's non-existance.

Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Your reality is a dream world.

Post by duke
Now what are you going to do.

Remind you asserting that anything existing is automatically evidence for
your favorite god is evidence of nothing but your own over-inflated ego.

I've posted my reality many times on this ng. Where is yours?

Post by duke
The reality is that God exists, re the
evidence.

You "forgot" to show what that was, duke.

Posted many many times here on aa.

Post by Eric Gill
There is nothing challenging about a long string of unsupported assertions.

The biggest unsupported assertion in all creation is that there is no God.

Then you should have no trouble demonstrating this, right, duke?

Can you do the same for your reality?

Post by Eric Gill
Well, I mean other than historically.

Explain.

Post by Eric Gill
You've just been holding back,
lying in the weeds, acting like every other hypocritical lying apologist
for that special day when you pull out the key to everything and simply
*demolish* the naysayers, atheists, heritics and pagans.

Nope, I'm trying to help you.

duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Eric Gill

2004-05-11 13:09:12 UTC

Post by Eric Gill
Odd way to put, "conteracting the incessant preaching that is
unavoidable in western culture."

Yet you can't counteract the truth.

Nice way to simply dodge the issue.
God you suck, duke.

Any time you wish to debate, eric.

What's keeping you?

Post by duke
Yet all evidence demands the existence of God and there is no
evidence for God's non-existance.

Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Your reality is a dream world.

If that's all you've got to offer, why are you running your mouth?

Post by duke
Now what are you going to do.

Remind you asserting that anything existing is automatically evidence
for your favorite god is evidence of nothing but your own
over-inflated ego.

I've posted my reality many times on this ng.

duke, duke - you weren't asked for more of your fantasises!

Post by duke
Where is yours?

My *what*?

Post by duke
The reality is that God exists, re the
evidence.

You "forgot" to show what that was, duke.

Posted many many times here on aa.

Post by Eric Gill
There is nothing challenging about a long string of unsupported assertions.

The biggest unsupported assertion in all creation is that there is no God.

Then you should have no trouble demonstrating this, right, duke?
Can you do the same for your reality?

Post by Eric Gill
Well, I mean other than historically.

Explain.

You have demonstrated no ability to do so in the past.

Better?

Ready to step up to the plate now, or are you just going to keep spouting
distractions?

Post by Eric Gill
You've just been holding back,
lying in the weeds, acting like every other hypocritical lying
apologist for that special day when you pull out the key to everything
and simply *demolish* the naysayers, atheists, heritics and pagans.

Nope, I'm trying to help you.

By doing nothing but running your mouth?

You suck, duke.

duke

2004-05-11 22:41:58 UTC

Post by duke
Any time you wish to debate, eric.

What's keeping you?

Waiting on you to decide the subject matter. It would be impolite for me to start the
subject matter with a person that announces he has no idea what's going on.

Post by Eric Gill
If that's all you've got to offer, why are you running your mouth?

Just letting you know up front that you have nothing to offer in the line of discussion.
But I'll give you the chance.

Post by duke
Now what are you going to do.

Remind you asserting that anything existing is automatically evidence
for your favorite god is evidence of nothing but your own
over-inflated ego.

I've posted my reality many times on this ng.

duke, duke - you weren't asked for more of your fantasises!

Which is a whole lot more than you have been able to offer.

Post by duke
Where is yours?

My *what*?

Your reality? Can't you follow the discussion?

Post by duke
The biggest unsupported assertion in all creation is that there is no God.

Then you should have no trouble demonstrating this, right, duke?

Give me one of your assertions. We need a place to start. I can't offer an assertion for
you.

Post by duke
Can you do the same for your reality?

Post by Eric Gill
Well, I mean other than historically.

Explain.

You have demonstrated no ability to do so in the past.

Yet I have presented so much more than you. You have presented nothing. Which is not
surprising because you have nothing to present.

Post by Eric Gill
Better?
Ready to step up to the plate now, or are you just going to keep spouting
distractions?

I keep waiting for you to offer one of your realities. I've mentioned mine over and over.

Post by Eric Gill
By doing nothing but running your mouth?
You suck, duke.

So you can't offer a reality. I knew that.

duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Richard Smol

2004-05-11 11:51:31 UTC

Post by Eric Gill
Then again, wishful thinking has no effect on reality.

Yet all evidence demands the existence of God

Only in a theist's feverish imagination. There is no rational
reason whatsoever to postulate the existence of any god.

Post by duke
and there is no evidence for God's non-existance.

Indeed, but this is also irrelevant, since you don't need to
prove a negative. Theists will have to provide evidence that
their god(s) exists... and up to now they failed.

Post by duke
Now what are you going to do. The reality is that God exists,
re the evidence.

What evidence?

Post by Eric Gill
There is nothing challenging about a long string of unsupported assertions.

The biggest unsupported assertion in all creation is that there is no God.

Since there is no indication that any gods exist, it is very
reasonable to conclude that they don't.

RS

Richard Smol

2004-05-11 07:27:17 UTC

Post by duke
You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Atheists have no desire to control theists. They generally
just don't want to be bothered with the theists' fairy
tales.

Then why do you spend so much time trying to convince yourself
you are correct?

Who says tat I do that? I just want to convince theists
to just leave me alone with their crap.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

The total lack of evidence for their existence should give
you some clues.

Then again, all evidence that exists demands the existence of God.

Post by Richard Smol
<- snip rest ->

That was the really challenging part. I understand.

Challenging? It was the same old lame set of unfounded assertions
as always.

RS

Post by duke
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

rmp

2004-05-09 21:21:47 UTC

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so
he doesn't need you.

Post by duke
He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Prove it. What kind of pevert is this god, creating people to get love. It's
like fucking a rubber doll.

duke

2004-05-10 10:21:34 UTC

Post by rmp

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness,

Post by joeblogg
he doesn't need you.

Post by duke
He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Prove it. What kind of pevert is this god, creating people to get love. It's
like fucking a rubber doll.

Well, no sign of intelligence here. Put the mouse back in the house, kid.

duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Richard Jackson

2004-05-11 00:52:18 UTC

Post by rmp

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as

loneliness,

Post by rmp
so

Post by joeblogg
he doesn't need you.

Post by duke
He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Prove it. What kind of pevert is this god, creating people to get love. It's
like fucking a rubber doll.

lets see, you are a loner, and want no equal companionship at all , Right.
even God (not unlike you) would like to be loved by an equal, but you do not
require love, as no one is or can be equal to you. right! at least that's
what you sound like, do you live on an island by yourself and wish to have
no companionship, whatsoever of anykind? or do you just like animals?

Vic Sagerquist

2004-05-09 22:59:38 UTC

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Very good puke! You got one right! How do you like being controlled?

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

No, but there is no legitimate reason to believe your claims either.

Post by joeblogg
1.
When you have surgery and part of your brain is removed, it affects
the way you think.
When a person takes drugs, their thinking is affected.
Is it the spirit that has the thought or the brain?

Neither, the person.

Post by joeblogg
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

Souls don't think.

Then heaven is going to be a really dull place, isn't it puke?

Post by joeblogg
2. There are always more and more people on this planet.
Where are all the new souls coming from?
Are they being created all the time?

Sure - God can do that. People are making more people. It's simple
for God to make more souls.

Sure. You can make your god do anything you want. Just as long as it's
something you don't have to show evidence for.

Post by joeblogg
3. God created the universe (right?).
If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

He didn't do a lousy job, and we can't help him if he did.

Post by joeblogg
4. The universe is infinite.

No, it definitely is not.

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as
loneliness, so he doesn't need you.

He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

And if you don't give it to him he will BURN YOU FOREVER.

Post by joeblogg
6. You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people
die of cancer and other diseases every year.

Oh, that's an easy one. A&E professed to be as gods, so God almighty
gave us a chance. Cancer is one example of the way we blew it, not
God..

Then god did not create everything?

Post by joeblogg
7. People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.

Nope, one point taken away here.

I'll agree with you. There are many reasons, another of which is mind
control. But fear plays a heavy part in the big picture. So does the
arrogance that makes one believe they are the center of the universe.

Post by joeblogg
8.
Do something for me. Find 20 people, Make up a message and whisper it
from person to person.
Ask the twentieth person what the message is.
You will find that the message in no way resembles the original message.
How can we be sure who wrote the Bible or Koran? What was their real
reason for writing it?

Easy, to reveal God and his instructions to us..

Yup. That's just what they want you to believe. You're a good sheep.

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a
town that wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..

Post by joeblogg
Ponder the following

You blew the first nine, but, ok go ahead.

How can you blow a question?

<snip>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.

--Timothy Jones

Pan Paniscus

2004-05-10 01:46:01 UTC

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

You mean like an atheist trying to control a theist?

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

Neither, the person.

Post by joeblogg
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

Souls don't think.

Then how are they us? We are our thoughts.

Post by joeblogg
2. There are always more and more people on this planet.
Where are all the new souls coming from?
Are they being created all the time?

Sure - God can do that. People are making more people. It's simple for God to make more
souls.

Goddidit.

Post by joeblogg
3. God created the universe (right?).
If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

He didn't do a lousy job, and we can't help him if he did.

The universe is just that , no more and no less, it isn't good, bad,
correct or wrong.
If he created animals, in particular humans, then he made a hell of a
kludgey creation.

Post by joeblogg
4. The universe is infinite.

No, it definitely is not.

Shit, I guess I have to agree with you.

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so
he doesn't need you.

He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being create a pile of
apes to worship him. He must have been lonely. Or maybe an inflated Ego.

Post by joeblogg
6. You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people die of
cancer and other diseases every year.

Oh, that's an easy one. A&E professed to be as gods, so God almighty gave us a chance.
Cancer is one example of the way we blew it, not God..

So we created cancer? How did we do that?

Post by joeblogg
7. People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.

Nope, one point taken away here.

One point added because people are afraid of death, thats why we are so
consumed by diet crazes. One point added because we invented god for
many more reasons than our fear of death.

Easy, to reveal God and his instructions to us..

Ok, you answered part two of his question, now answer part one. Word of
mouth is a horrible method of preserving the accuracy of a story. The OT
was written centuries after it supposedly happened, as were the stories
of Jesus.

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a town that
wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..

Jesus supposedly had at least one brother.
As far as I know most people are of vaginal birth, especially 2000 years
ago.

Post by joeblogg
Ponder the following

You blew the first nine, but, ok go ahead.

I think he'd done well.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no concrete to make your buildings because you
will have exhausted the lime of all the quarries in the world.

Proof?

Post by duke
Recycle lime.

Is that possible?

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no oil to make petrol and plastics.

We'll use something else.

Like what? Whale blubber? Oops that'll be gone too.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no metals to make your machines. (approx)

Haven't you ever heard of melting things down and making new machines. No, I guess not.

I agree. (Ouch) Or we could mine asteroids, or the moon.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no fish left in the sea because it will be too
polluted.

Clean it up. We easily have the technology.

Too many creationists have the money and the power but not the will.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no trees because you will have used them all to
make toilet paper.

Plant some new ones.

Being done. But that doesn't address the damage to millions of species
of life, nor the loss of medicines we get from forests.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years there will be no animals to feed you, so you will have to eat
human flesh.

Raise some new ones.

Where? We're running out of room.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years the air will be too polluted to breath without masks.

Haven't you ever heard of environmental cleanup?

Haven't you heard of people like Bush who want to dismantle
environmental controls?

Post by joeblogg
In 300 years you will have reverted to the savages you really are and there
will be no civilization.

Why?

He's assuming that the reduction in technology will result in a
reduction in civilization. Too many Sci-Fi movies I guess.
We've evolved to be who we are, that won't change in 300 years.

Post by joeblogg
The real problem is overpopulation of the planet and the misuse and
squandering of its resources.

Actually population growth is decreasing in almost all 'have' countries.
If we improve conditions in 3rd world countries, population growth
should level out there as well.

Post by duke
In 100 years we'll be mining Mars.

How will that deal with overpopulation? How will we deal with the costs?

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are not interested in the western economy and
probably do not squander resources.

What??? Everyone uses resources.

Post by duke
"Probably don't"??????? You're not very sure, are you!

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are probably
going to start WWIII and get rid of a lot of people.

Childish statement!

Post by duke
We're going to the stars.

I hope so!

Post by duke
I think you better stay in bed today. You don't know anything about tomorrow.

<snipsig>

Pan

duke

2004-05-10 10:57:00 UTC

Post by joeblogg
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

Souls don't think.

Then how are they us? We are our thoughts.

The soul is not an organ like a brain. Our soul is the essence of what we are, to prefer
right over wrong and to prefer good over bad.

Post by duke
Sure - God can do that. People are making more people. It's simple for God to make more
souls.

Goddidit.

Absolutely.

Post by joeblogg
3. God created the universe (right?).
If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

He didn't do a lousy job, and we can't help him if he did.

The universe is just that , no more and no less, it isn't good, bad,
correct or wrong.
If he created animals, in particular humans, then he made a hell of a
kludgey creation.

Nope, actually it's mankind's failure at being as gods to do a better job.

Post by joeblogg
4. The universe is infinite.

No, it definitely is not.

Shit, I guess I have to agree with you.

You have to agree with me on everything.

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so
he doesn't need you.

He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being create a pile of
apes to worship him. He must have been lonely. Or maybe an inflated Ego.

I said "love".

What does any father want more than anything else from his children - their love.

He doesn't need it - he wants it.

Post by joeblogg
6. You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people die of
cancer and other diseases every year.

Oh, that's an easy one. A&E professed to be as gods, so God almighty gave us a chance.
Cancer is one example of the way we blew it, not God..

So we created cancer? How did we do that?

Cancer is a runaway cell. We as gods do terrible jobs.

Post by joeblogg
7. People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.

Nope, one point taken away here.

One point added because people are afraid of death, thats why we are so
consumed by diet crazes. One point added because we invented god for
many more reasons than our fear of death.

Nope, 4 points taken away. We didn't invent God. He created us.

Post by joeblogg
How can we be sure who wrote the Bible or Koran? What was their real reason
for writing it?

Easy, to reveal God and his instructions to us..

There you go - an excellent reason to declare all knowledge false that was learned before
the printing press.

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a town that
wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..

Jesus supposedly had at least one brother.
As far as I know most people are of vaginal birth, especially 2000 years
ago.

You are a failure at basic Christianity. Mary never had sex with anyone.

Post by joeblogg
Ponder the following

You blew the first nine, but, ok go ahead.

I think he'd done well.

For what, a junior high kid???

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no concrete to make your buildings because you
will have exhausted the lime of all the quarries in the world.

Proof?

Post by duke
Recycle lime.

Is that possible?

His comment was extraordinarily not throughout.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no oil to make petrol and plastics.

We'll use something else.

Like what? Whale blubber? Oops that'll be gone too.

His comment was extraordinarily not throughout.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no metals to make your machines. (approx)

Haven't you ever heard of melting things down and making new machines. No, I guess not.

I agree. (Ouch) Or we could mine asteroids, or the moon.

I too agree.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no fish left in the sea because it will be too
polluted.

Clean it up. We easily have the technology.

Too many creationists have the money and the power but not the will.

Sure we have the will. We must do it.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no trees because you will have used them all to
make toilet paper.

Plant some new ones.

Being done. But that doesn't address the damage to millions of species
of life, nor the loss of medicines we get from forests.

Plant some new trees!!!

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years there will be no animals to feed you, so you will have to eat
human flesh.

Raise some new ones.

Where? We're running out of room.

Do it on mars.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years the air will be too polluted to breath without masks.

Haven't you ever heard of environmental cleanup?

Haven't you heard of people like Bush who want to dismantle
environmental controls?

I'm an engineer in designing plants. Environmental considerations takes precedent over
product manufacturing. If it pollutes, it's out or it's cleaned.

Fortunately, you lose big time on this one.

Post by joeblogg
In 300 years you will have reverted to the savages you really are and there
will be no civilization.

Why?

He's assuming that the reduction in technology will result in a
reduction in civilization. Too many Sci-Fi movies I guess.
We've evolved to be who we are, that won't change in 300 years.

I see no reason for his comment.

Post by joeblogg
The real problem is overpopulation of the planet and the misuse and
squandering of its resources.

Actually population growth is decreasing in almost all 'have' countries.
If we improve conditions in 3rd world countries, population growth
should level out there as well.

That's one good use for the UN.

Post by duke
In 100 years we'll be mining Mars.

How will that deal with overpopulation? How will we deal with the costs?

Overpopulation generally has a way of taking care of itself.

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are not interested in the western economy and
probably do not squander resources.

What??? Everyone uses resources.

You're talking to him now.

Post by duke
"Probably don't"??????? You're not very sure, are you!

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are probably
going to start WWIII and get rid of a lot of people.

Childish statement!

You're talking to him now.

Post by duke
We're going to the stars.

I hope so!

Post by duke
I think you better stay in bed today. You don't know anything about tomorrow.

duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****

Vic Sagerquist

2004-05-10 14:46:16 UTC

Post by duke
The soul is not an organ like a brain. Our soul is the essence of what
we are, to prefer right over wrong and to prefer good over bad.

When I intoxicate my brain with beer, why does my "soul" slur its speech?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.

--Timothy Jones

Rudy Canoza

2017-08-19 15:06:48 UTC

Post by joeblogg
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

Souls don't think.

Then how are they us? We are our thoughts.

The soul is not an organ like a brain. Our soul is the essence of what we are, to prefer
right over wrong and to prefer good over bad.

Post by duke
Sure - God can do that. People are making more people. It's simple for God to make more
souls.

Goddidit.

Absolutely.

Post by joeblogg
3. God created the universe (right?).
If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

He didn't do a lousy job, and we can't help him if he did.

The universe is just that , no more and no less, it isn't good, bad,
correct or wrong.
If he created animals, in particular humans, then he made a hell of a
kludgey creation.

Nope, actually it's mankind's failure at being as gods to do a better job.

Post by joeblogg
4. The universe is infinite.

No, it definitely is not.

Shit, I guess I have to agree with you.

You have to agree with me on everything.

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so
he doesn't need you.

He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being create a pile of
apes to worship him. He must have been lonely. Or maybe an inflated Ego.

I said "love".
What does any father want more than anything else from his children - their love.
He doesn't need it - he wants it.

Post by joeblogg
6. You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people die of
cancer and other diseases every year.

Oh, that's an easy one. A&E professed to be as gods, so God almighty gave us a chance.
Cancer is one example of the way we blew it, not God..

So we created cancer? How did we do that?

Cancer is a runaway cell. We as gods do terrible jobs.

Post by joeblogg
7. People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.

Nope, one point taken away here.

One point added because people are afraid of death, thats why we are so
consumed by diet crazes. One point added because we invented god for
many more reasons than our fear of death.

Nope, 4 points taken away. We didn't invent God. He created us.

Post by joeblogg
How can we be sure who wrote the Bible or Koran? What was their real reason
for writing it?

Easy, to reveal God and his instructions to us..

There you go - an excellent reason to declare all knowledge false that was learned before
the printing press.

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a town that
wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..

Jesus supposedly had at least one brother.
As far as I know most people are of vaginal birth, especially 2000 years
ago.

You are a failure at basic Christianity. Mary never had sex with anyone.

Post by joeblogg
Ponder the following

You blew the first nine, but, ok go ahead.

I think he'd done well.

For what, a junior high kid???

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no concrete to make your buildings because you
will have exhausted the lime of all the quarries in the world.

Proof?

Post by duke
Recycle lime.

Is that possible?

His comment was extraordinarily not throughout.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no oil to make petrol and plastics.

We'll use something else.

Like what? Whale blubber? Oops that'll be gone too.

His comment was extraordinarily not throughout.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no metals to make your machines. (approx)

Haven't you ever heard of melting things down and making new machines. No, I guess not.

I agree. (Ouch) Or we could mine asteroids, or the moon.

I too agree.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no fish left in the sea because it will be too
polluted.

Clean it up. We easily have the technology.

Too many creationists have the money and the power but not the will.

Sure we have the will. We must do it.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no trees because you will have used them all to
make toilet paper.

Plant some new ones.

Being done. But that doesn't address the damage to millions of species
of life, nor the loss of medicines we get from forests.

Plant some new trees!!!

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years there will be no animals to feed you, so you will have to eat
human flesh.

Raise some new ones.

Where? We're running out of room.

Do it on mars.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years the air will be too polluted to breath without masks.

Haven't you ever heard of environmental cleanup?

Haven't you heard of people like Bush who want to dismantle
environmental controls?

I'm an engineer in designing plants. Environmental considerations takes precedent over
product manufacturing. If it pollutes, it's out or it's cleaned.

Didn't you say just the other day that you never claimed to be an engineer?

Sorry, never claimed to be an engineer. More of you lies.

Douche Weber
2 Aug 2017
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.atheism,aus.politics,
can.politics,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic

What a stupid lying smug fat prick you are!

Post by duke
the doucher, smug fat prick and congenital liar
*****
Purpose of Life: To rape little Catholic children repeatedly
and never get caught, thanks to the corrupt church hierarchy.
*****

Ted

1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by joeblogg
When a person dies, how is the soul going to think without a brain?

Souls don't think.

Then how are they us? We are our thoughts.
The soul is not an organ like a brain. Our soul is the essence of
what we are, to prefer

right over wrong and to prefer good over bad.

Post by duke
Sure - God can do that. People are making more people. It's simple
for God to make more

souls.

Goddidit.
Absolutely.

Post by joeblogg
3. God created the universe (right?).

If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

He didn't do a lousy job, and we can't help him if he did.

The universe is just that , no more and no less, it isn't good, bad,
correct or wrong.
If he created animals, in particular humans, then he made a hell of a
kludgey creation.
Nope, actually it's mankind's failure at being as gods to do a better job.

Post by joeblogg
4. The universe is infinite.

No, it definitely is not.

Shit, I guess I have to agree with you.
You have to agree with me on everything.

Post by joeblogg
5. If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so

he doesn't need you.

He doesn't need us, we are his creation. He wants our love.

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being create a pile of
apes to worship him. He must have been lonely. Or maybe an inflated Ego.
I said "love".
What does any father want more than anything else from his children - their love.
He doesn't need it - he wants it.

Post by joeblogg
6. You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people die of

cancer and other diseases every year.

Oh, that's an easy one. A&E professed to be as gods, so God almighty gave us a chance.
Cancer is one example of the way we blew it, not God..

So we created cancer? How did we do that?
Cancer is a runaway cell. We as gods do terrible jobs.

Post by joeblogg
7. People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.

Nope, one point taken away here.
One point added because people are afraid of death, thats why we are so

consumed by diet crazes. One point added because we invented god for
many more reasons than our fear of death.
Nope, 4 points taken away. We didn't invent God. He created us.

Post by joeblogg
How can we be sure who wrote the Bible or Koran? What was their real reason

for writing it?

Easy, to reveal God and his instructions to us..
Ok, you answered part two of his question, now answer part one. Word of

mouth is a horrible method of preserving the accuracy of a story. The OT
was written centuries after it supposedly happened, as were the stories
of Jesus.
There you go - an excellent reason to declare all knowledge false that was learned before

the printing press.

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a town that

wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..
Jesus supposedly had at least one brother.

As far as I know most people are of vaginal birth, especially 2000 years
ago.
You are a failure at basic Christianity. Mary never had sex with anyone.

Post by joeblogg
Ponder the following

You blew the first nine, but, ok go ahead.

I think he'd done well.
For what, a junior high kid???

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no concrete to make your buildings because you

will have exhausted the lime of all the quarries in the world.

Proof?

Post by duke
Recycle lime.

Is that possible?
His comment was extraordinarily not throughout.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no oil to make petrol and plastics.

We'll use something else.

Like what? Whale blubber? Oops that'll be gone too.
His comment was extraordinarily not throughout.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no metals to make your machines. (approx)

Haven't you ever heard of melting things down and making new machines. No, I guess not.

I agree. (Ouch) Or we could mine asteroids, or the moon.
I too agree.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no fish left in the sea because it will be too

polluted.

Clean it up. We easily have the technology.

Too many creationists have the money and the power but not the will.
Sure we have the will. We must do it.

Post by joeblogg
In 100 years there will be no trees because you will have used them all to

make toilet paper.

Plant some new ones.
Being done. But that doesn't address the damage to millions of species

of life, nor the loss of medicines we get from forests.
Plant some new trees!!!

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years there will be no animals to feed you, so you will have to eat

human flesh.

Raise some new ones.

Where? We're running out of room.
Do it on mars.

Post by joeblogg
In 150 years the air will be too polluted to breath without masks.

Haven't you ever heard of environmental cleanup?

Haven't you heard of people like Bush who want to dismantle
environmental controls?
I'm an engineer in designing plants. Environmental considerations takes precedent over

product manufacturing. If it pollutes, it's out or it's cleaned.

Didn't you say just the other day that you never claimed to be an engineer?
Sorry, never claimed to be an engineer. More of you lies.
Douche Weber
2 Aug 2017
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.atheism,aus.politics,
can.politics,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
What a stupid lying smug fat prick you are!

Post by duke
the doucher, smug fat prick and congenital liar

Post by Pan Paniscus
*****

Purpose of Life: To rape little Catholic children repeatedly
and never get caught, thanks to the corrupt church hierarchy.
*****

LOL. Nice job. :)

W. Syme

2004-05-10 11:16:14 UTC

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

Is there any legitimate reason to believe you?

LOL!

Coming from a xian, that's some delicious irony.

--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.

Michael Cole

2004-05-13 04:09:13 UTC

On Mon, 10 May 2004 04:36:26 +1000, "joeblogg"

Post by joeblogg
9. Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a
town that wasn't Bethlehem.

Jesus was an only child, and of a vaginal birth..

Have to pick up on this one.

Firstly, "vaginal birth"? No further comment...

But he definately wasn't an only child. He had at least four brothers,
James, who took over the Church of Jerusalem after the death of Jesus, and
Joses, Simon and Judas (Matthew 13:55, Mark 6:3). He would also have had at
least two sisters.

--
Regards,

Michael Cole

Mark Richardson

2004-05-10 01:26:32 UTC

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.

Depends what you want to use it for.
If a doorstop, then the weight is the important factor.
If for kindling a fire, the quality of the paper and the binding has a
lot to say about which is best.
The same applies to mulching for rapid decomposition to make soil
improving compost. In that case the toxicity of the inks are also
important.

Post by joeblogg
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

That is one use it is put to.
Most religious people are not the pope or a bishop or a mullah - so
for the vast majority of humans on the planet that isn't what it is
for.
It has social, communal and personal "uses" as well.

For most people religion is a tradition and a habit a part of their
identity - their sense of self.
For many people religion is "medicine" - to distract them from the
pain of living. Religion is the opiate of the people.

Post by joeblogg
The Catholic clerics and the Islamic Muftas would be out of a job without
religion.

They would also be without a job if humans didn't have language.
If you believe that religion would disapear if you got rid of the
priestly class - you don't understand religion at all.
Priest and popes and mullahs are "epiphenomena" of religion.
You are missing the woods for a few tall trees.

Post by joeblogg
Jesus used it to unite his people in an effort to drive the Romans out of
Israel.

Possibly.

Post by joeblogg
Mohammed used it to unite all the bickering desert tribes in a similar
manner.

Possibly.

Post by joeblogg
They were politicians not prophets.

Or perhaps both.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

They are both so vaguely defined that saying that these things
definitely do or don't exist is meaningless noise.
I don't worship or serve gods. I don't rely on gods to tell me right
from wrong, good from evil.
I don't look to gods to save me from harm or to punish my enemies.
They are nothing to me.
I am godless. I am an infidel.

I take some pride in that.
I do have weaknesses and faults like any man but worshiping gods is
not one of them.

I am not *willingly* a slave to any master, a serf to any king, a
supplicant to any god.
Masters, Kings and gods are nothing if you defy them.
All their power, their very existence, relies on **you** willingly
granting them power over you.
They are nothing without your belief.

Post by joeblogg
Answer the following points to your honest satisfaction and still tell me
there is a god.

No - to both.
<snip>

Post by joeblogg
Praise be to science.

Science isn't a god.
Science is not an *alternative* to god.

Getting filthy drunk on whiskey every day is not an alternative to
herion addiction - cold turkey is.
Dont exchange one fawning, grovelling, unthinking dependence for
another - reject the whole idea - root and branch - completely.

The best alternative to god is nothing.

With gods out of the way you are free to look at life and see if you
can live it.

Mark.

--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau

"My name is Mark I am a recovering Skeptic
(AKA Muddy Boggs, AKA Donald R. Alford AKA ...)
debater. It is 048 days since I last tried to argue
with him."

You too can quit! Take the pledge!

Richard Jackson

2004-05-11 01:11:18 UTC

actually to worship or accept God takes no work at all , all it takes is
faith , true faith, you do not have to do or say a thing, do you have faith
that man will screw you any chance he gets to get what he wants, ? then you
also have the faith to believe in God who will change you and show you a
better way, yet you want to only believe in the things that will only bring
man to his own end!
and what good will that do us and your children, and grandchildren, ect.?
nothing but get them and us all DEAD, eternally!
,

Post by Mark Richardson

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?
Neither.

Post by joeblogg
Religion is for the strong minded to control the weak minded.

That is one use it is put to.
Most religious people are not the pope or a bishop or a mullah - so
for the vast majority of humans on the planet that isn't what it is
for.
It has social, communal and personal "uses" as well.
For most people religion is a tradition and a habit a part of their
identity - their sense of self.
For many people religion is "medicine" - to distract them from the
pain of living. Religion is the opiate of the people.

Post by joeblogg
The Catholic clerics and the Islamic Muftas would be out of a job without
religion.

Post by joeblogg
Jesus used it to unite his people in an effort to drive the Romans out of
Israel.

Possibly.

Post by joeblogg
Mohammed used it to unite all the bickering desert tribes in a similar
manner.

Possibly.

Post by joeblogg
They were politicians not prophets.

Or perhaps both.

Post by joeblogg
There is no god and no spirit.

They are both so vaguely defined that saying that these things
definitely do or don't exist is meaningless noise.
I don't worship or serve gods. I don't rely on gods to tell me right
from wrong, good from evil.
I don't look to gods to save me from harm or to punish my enemies.
They are nothing to me.
I am godless. I am an infidel.
I take some pride in that.
I do have weaknesses and faults like any man but worshiping gods is
not one of them.
I am not *willingly* a slave to any master, a serf to any king, a
supplicant to any god.
Masters, Kings and gods are nothing if you defy them.
All their power, their very existence, relies on **you** willingly
granting them power over you.
They are nothing without your belief.

Post by joeblogg
Answer the following points to your honest satisfaction and still tell me
there is a god.

No - to both.
<snip>

Post by joeblogg
Praise be to science.

Science isn't a god.
Science is not an *alternative* to god.
Getting filthy drunk on whiskey every day is not an alternative to
herion addiction - cold turkey is.
Dont exchange one fawning, grovelling, unthinking dependence for
another - reject the whole idea - root and branch - completely.
The best alternative to god is nothing.
With gods out of the way you are free to look at life and see if you
can live it.
Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
"My name is Mark I am a recovering Skeptic
(AKA Muddy Boggs, AKA Donald R. Alford AKA ...)
debater. It is 048 days since I last tried to argue
with him."
You too can quit! Take the pledge!

Mark Richardson

2004-05-11 01:57:36 UTC

On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:11:18 -0700, "Richard Jackson"

Post by Richard Jackson
actually to worship or accept God takes no work at all , all it takes is
faith , true faith, you do not have to do or say a thing, do you have faith
that man will screw you any chance he gets to get what he wants, ?

I admit I dont have faith - I said so loadly and clearly.
So what?

Post by Richard Jackson
then you
also have the faith to believe in God who will change you and show you a
better way, yet you want to only believe in the things that will only bring
man to his own end!
and what good will that do us and your children, and grandchildren, ect.?
nothing but get them and us all DEAD, eternally!

People die because that is the reality of our existence - not because
I lack faith.

Mark.

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Richard Jackson

2004-05-12 01:01:53 UTC

then you only have faith in yourself, what a sad world it is, most of the
world thinks like you, and you wonder why no one gives a hoot about anyone
else, you are making a great world, why do you complain? you are getting
just what you want! selfish thinking, who's watching your back? do you trust
them? Faithfully?

Post by Mark Richardson
On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:11:18 -0700, "Richard Jackson"

I admit I dont have faith - I said so loadly and clearly.
So what?

People die because that is the reality of our existence - not because
I lack faith.
Mark.
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2004-05-12 02:56:32 UTC

On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:01:53 -0700, "Richard Jackson"

Post by Richard Jackson
then you only have faith in yourself,

That doesn't follow.

Post by Richard Jackson
what a sad world it is,

Yes - but it is beautiful also.
Light and Dark - good and evil.

Post by Richard Jackson
most of the
world thinks like you,

No.
Most of the world believes in a God or gods.

Post by Richard Jackson
and you wonder why no one gives a hoot about anyone
else,

Yes I do wonder and yet some people find the ability to feel
compassion for their fellow beings.
I find hope mixed with the despair.

Post by Richard Jackson
you are making a great world,

I do what I can.

Post by Richard Jackson
why do you complain?

There is so much pain, so much suffering.

Post by Richard Jackson
you are getting
just what you want!

No I am not!

Post by Richard Jackson
selfish thinking, who's watching your back?

I am no more selfish than the christians.
I am MORE humble.

Post by Richard Jackson
who's watching your back?
do you trust
them? Faithfully?

I give and receive trust where appropriate - but I know that there are
evil people out there - liars and thieves - and most of them full of
boasting of their own "piety" and "holiness".

Mark.

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Kingssman

2004-05-10 15:01:31 UTC

TRUE: Religion is based upon an individuals interpretation of a
higher being, They all share a recognition to a god or gods but what
that god is like is simply a matter of opinion.

TRUE: Zen tries to explain this that when you strip away the flesh,
the history, and the experience on earth you reach the soul.
Everything we know, speak or believe is subject to our enviroment and
when you toss all that away you'll find a part of you that is not
effected by physical enviroment but something that makes you unique no
matter what you look like or how you grew up. This is your Zen or
soul.

Post by joeblogg
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2.
There are always more and more people on this planet.
Where are all the new souls coming from?
Are they being created all the time?

TRUE and FALSE: souls could be energy or future generations could be
souls of past generations living in new enviroments or they could be
reincarnation of ant into human or vice versa. A soul could be
nothing more than a single emotion or a trait like courage of honor,
the rest could be derived from enviroment and genetics.

Post by joeblogg
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3.
God created the universe (right?).
If so then why did he do such a lousy job?
Why does he need your help to fix it?

FALSE: god didn't do a lousy job. How are we to recognize good without
bad? how can we describe an up without a down? we live in a duality
where everything has an opposite. It's what balances the equation
(the Matrix theory). It is what makes reality, reality. We can't
identify a force without the opposite such as light without dark. God
doesn't need us to fix it, he just needs us to accept and adapt.

Post by joeblogg
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4.
The universe is infinite. If you stand at the edge of the universe and throw
a stone beyond the edge then you are not at the edge.
How can god create something that is infinite, in 7 days or 7 million days.

SIMPLE: mathmatics or simple programming code. x is infinate x+x= or
x+1=x as it's 1+1 over and over and over where the number grows larger
and larger and larger. Infinity is easy to create, it's how we can
loop our processors to calculate over and over and over till they burn
out.

Post by joeblogg
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5.
If god is perfect, he doesn't have human weaknesses such as loneliness, so
he doesn't need you.
He/she/it doesn't need entertainment if he knows all things, so he doesn't
need you.
He/she/it doesn't need sex, so god would probably be an it.
If god is perfect, he knows all things and doesn't need to experiment with
human lives (yours).
We are not god. There is no way we can do anything for god that god can not
do for itself.
If it is god's will, then why are we here at all?
Why are we doing all the wrong things if it is god's will?

TRUE and FALSE: We entertain god because we think it helps. god
created us because it was god's will. He may not have inteded us to be
his #1 creation but rather a small peice in the huge puzzle of the
universe. God set up the universe as a selfcreating, sustaining
engine. We are a product of that engine. So yes and no god created us.
Why did god created the universe? perhaps because it was better than
nothing at all, perhaps there are infinate amount of different
universes with infinate amount of different rules of physics. God is
infinate so he can invent the cake, create the cake, and eat the cake
too.

Post by joeblogg
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6.
You have to ask yourself about your religion when so many people die of
cancer and other diseases every year.
Why has the pope got Parkinson's disease?
Why did so many Christians die from the plague in the middle ages?
Why did so many Moslems die in Bamm in the earthquake last year?
It must have been gods will and god must have a warped sense of humour.
Or maybe the Americans are thinking nasty thoughts about Arabs. That's Karma
and that's a Buddhist belief.

They are all products of the enviroment. Just because you are good
doesn't mean that God is going to bend the rules of physics just to
help you. If you fall out of the building god is not going to
temporarly suspend the law of gravity so you don't hit the ground. To
do such a thing the permanent duality universe that we live in will be
unstable causing chaos. We have laws so that things function, if you
droped a pencil thousands and millions of times it will fall. This is
because the law is permanent but if you all the sudden you dropped it
and it floats in air what then? Does it mean that the univerese is
inperfect? that the rules of physics are subject to random working to
not working? We may think that things happen at random but it really
works acording to plan when you look at the big picture (lookup Chaos
theory)

Post by joeblogg
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7.
People are afraid of death and that is why we invented god.
Tribal chiefs used our fear of the unknown to manipulate us. They called it
religion.

TRUE: what do you fear more? mortal consequence or eternal damnation?
Hell was invented to scare people to be good. Zen and Jesus tried to
point out that heaven (or death) was equal to all of us and none of us
will have any special treatment over others.

Post by joeblogg
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8.
Do something for me. Find 20 people, Make up a message and whisper it from
person to person.
Ask the twentieth person what the message is.
You will find that the message in no way resembles the original message.
How can we be sure who wrote the Bible or Koran? What was their real reason
for writing it?

To pass down ideas and some form of history. The book was written
because the word of mouth kept getting jagged through history so when
mankind invented a method of inscribing word's they wrote them down
which made the document forever and void of the chaotic word of mouth.
Men made up history prior to this and possible that when translated
or re-written, some parts got edited. Both books are man made but at
the same time the philosophy is common sense. Don't murder, don't
steal, bad consequence duh duh..

Post by joeblogg
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9.
Jesus older brother said Jesus was born in the ordinary way in a town that
wasn't Bethlehem.
Jesus expelled him from the religion for being so petty.

Don't know on this one.... Perhaps jesus got mad that his brother lied
or was telling the truth. These are mortal people for peeps sake.
That's how jesus dies, he was human, mortal, like the rest of us.

Post by joeblogg
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Ponder the following
In 100 years there will be no concrete to make your buildings because you
will have exhausted the lime of all the quarries in the world.
In 100 years there will be no oil to make petrol and plastics.
In 100 years there will be no metals to make your machines. (approx)
In 100 years there will be no fish left in the sea because it will be too
polluted.
In 100 years there will be no trees because you will have used them all to
make toilet paper.
In 150 years there will be no animals to feed you, so you will have to eat
human flesh.
In 150 years the air will be too polluted to breath without masks.
In 300 years you will have reverted to the savages you really are and there
will be no civilization.

THATS why in a 100 years we need to move forward in this infinate
universe. we occupy 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000to
the X of the univerese. There are billions of other worlds with metal,
lime, and other physical elements and possibly other life sustaining
enviroments. Plant a seed and a tree grows,that's how it works. Old
concrete breaks away and disolves back into the soil, animals give
birth to more than one animal, cows produce milk, ect ect. It's how a
self sustaining engine works. Though we may die out like the dinosaurs
the biological microbes of bacteria, and fungus can live on which may
grow into a new species of plant or animal. Humans will realize that
when shit hits the fan they'll have to clean it up. If we don't then
we will die out as a species. Either adapt or die, it's how evolution
and a self sustaining world works.

Post by joeblogg
The real problem is overpopulation of the planet and the misuse and
squandering of its resources.

adapt or die. it's that simple

Post by joeblogg
I like Islam because you are not interested in the western economy and
probably do not squander resources. I like Islam because you are probably
going to start WWIII and get rid of a lot of people.

Christians can care less about obtaining wealth or riches because they
are all gone when you die. However it is survival of the fittest,
only cutlured and evovled species care for the group, the rest care
about themselves.

Post by joeblogg
Go out immediately and kill 100 people. The Sumatran tiger and orang-utang
will thank you for it. The African rhino will thank you for it and you will
be restoring some of the natural balance to the world. Just don't kill too
many people. Just kidding...

Ever seen "When Animals Attack"?, besides, people are having less
children these days. Families are barely over extending 4 people, when
in the past parents had 6-12 children they now settle for 1 or 2.

Post by joeblogg
Do not deceive yourselves that Islam is a religion. It is an intolerant
political movement trying to conquer the world through fear and subversion.
But would the world be any better at the end of it all? I think science
would suffer and any hope of curing the world's problems would go out the
window.

Same goes for Christianity.

Post by joeblogg
You maintain Islam because, among other things, you can control women more
easily, just as the west used to trade in slaves. Don't deceive yourself
that you are good, because you are not. No one is. No one does anything
without wanting something in return. We are all selfish.

Women have always been downplayed in societies dating to the caveman.
Guess in humans women are not as respected as the queen bee or the
black widow.

Post by joeblogg
Some people do things because they want money or cars or boats or houses.
Other people do things because they want to fit in or be liked. It is all
selfish whether Islamic or Christian or Jewish. You give something to get
something. Ultimately it is about you.

Darwin's Law. It's found in every life form.

Post by joeblogg
NO ONE DOES ANYTHING WITHOUT EXPECTING TO GET SOMETHING IN RETURN FROM
SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING.
The person who has no need is probably GOD.
The BIBLE and the KORAN are fairy stories written around camp fires of
tribal savages to keep the night away. The demons are all in your minds. The
Hell that you create is here on Earth.
There is no good. There is no bad. There is just reality.
Tonight I must kill something so that I might live. Am I good? Am I bad? No,
I am a realist.
Show some strength and look at reality.
This has been a message from Heaven. We are letting you know the you are
already in Hell. You will never get out.
Mohammed Jesus on the internet
That's first name Mohammed. Second name Jesus.
Praise be to science.
(6th May 2004)

jackkincaid

2004-05-10 15:44:32 UTC

Post by joeblogg
BIBLE OR KORAN?

Which bible?

The OT, NT and Quran are all at least partially non-factual but that
doesn't mean they can't be appreciated as literature or in parts,
history.

As literature the bible beats the Quran easily. But then I don't speak
Arabic.

Richard Jackson

2004-05-11 00:46:28 UTC